Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show

Why Common Consent? From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions. From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization? From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization?Why would the President and Prophet hold that position only with the consent of the faithful body of the Saints? Why would the collection and publication of certain revelations to Joseph Smith and others require the vote of the Church members? Why would a unanimous decision of the Quorum of the Twelve be more authoritative than than a majority decision? Why would the President and Prophet consult with his counsellors on all important matters? There are many historical sources which provide insights into these questions and reveal an important aspect of Joseph Smith's views and claims. I will discuss these sources and the two major conclusions among LDS as to the intent and value of the principle of Common Consent.   This is the 2 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.

Why Common Consent? From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions. From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization? From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization?Why would the President and Prophet hold that position only with the consent of the faithful body of the Saints? Why would the collection and publication of certain revelations to Joseph Smith and others require the vote of the Church members? Why would a unanimous decision of the Quorum of the Twelve be more authoritative than than a majority decision? Why would the President and Prophet consult with his counsellors on all important matters? There are many historical sources which provide insights into these questions and reveal an important aspect of Joseph Smith's views and claims. I will discuss these sources and the two major conclusions among LDS as to the intent and value of the principle of Common Consent.   This is the 2 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.

Why Common Consent? From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions. From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization? From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization?Why would the President and Prophet hold that position only with the consent of the faithful body of the Saints? Why would the collection and publication of certain revelations to Joseph Smith and others require the vote of the Church members? Why would a unanimous decision of the Quorum of the Twelve be more authoritative than than a majority decision? Why would the President and Prophet consult with his counsellors on all important matters? There are many historical sources which provide insights into these questions and reveal an important aspect of Joseph Smith's views and claims. I will discuss these sources and the two major conclusions among LDS as to the intent and value of the principle of Common Consent.   This is the 2 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.

An Alleged Prophet Art Bulla has been claiming for almost 3 decades to be the successor of Joseph Smith holding the highest priesthood keys, being the Lord's annointed and even superior to Joseph Smith and his successors, claiming to be One Mighty and Strong, to set an apostate LDS Church in order.After many years of discussion on the air and in person with Art Bulla I have decided to address his claims directly by talking about some basic principles of Mormonism introduced by Joseph Smith and endorsed by his successors, but ignored or denied by Bulla. I have tried hard to understand his claims. Basically, he claims that his having been ordained a 70 gives him the highest priesthood keys, eventhough he was excommunicated from the Church. He argues that a person need not be a member of the Church to hold the highest priesthood keys. In fact, he claims that the highest keys are held by a council known as the Council of 50, organized by Joseph Smith in 1844. However, to be a member of this Council, according to Bulla, holding the highest priesthood keys, a person did not need to believe in Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Bible, Jesus or God. Bulla claims he received the highest priesthood keys from the Church, which he asserts has been in apostasy for some time. I have asked him a number of times to trace the highest keys, those to be held only by one man at a time on the earth, from Joseph Smith to himself. He has never gone beyond Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or John Taylor. He weaves a claim of revelation; a pre-existent foreordination; ordination to a 70 before his excommunication; extension of the priesthood to the blacks in 1978, resulting, as he alleges, to a latter-day apostasy of the Church; a total disregard for the vision of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, of great success and expansion of the Church worldwide, diminishing this vision to that of one prophet holding the keys, with one disciple, no Church or priesthood quorums. I discuss such Mormon Basics as: The highest priesthood keys were to be invested in the Church. The President of the Church is the President of the High Priesthood. All who leave the Church or are excommunicated hold no priesthood keys or authority. There is to be no modern-day apostasy of the Church. The meaning of D&C 85 on the "one mighty and strong."    

An Alleged Prophet Art Bulla has been claiming for almost 3 decades to be the successor of Joseph Smith holding the highest priesthood keys, being the Lord's annointed and even superior to Joseph Smith and his successors, claiming to be One Mighty and Strong, to set an apostate LDS Church in order.After many years of discussion on the air and in person with Art Bulla I have decided to address his claims directly by talking about some basic principles of Mormonism introduced by Joseph Smith and endorsed by his successors, but ignored or denied by Bulla. I have tried hard to understand his claims. Basically, he claims that his having been ordained a 70 gives him the highest priesthood keys, eventhough he was excommunicated from the Church. He argues that a person need not be a member of the Church to hold the highest priesthood keys. In fact, he claims that the highest keys are held by a council known as the Council of 50, organized by Joseph Smith in 1844. However, to be a member of this Council, according to Bulla, holding the highest priesthood keys, a person did not need to believe in Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Bible, Jesus or God. Bulla claims he received the highest priesthood keys from the Church, which he asserts has been in apostasy for some time. I have asked him a number of times to trace the highest keys, those to be held only by one man at a time on the earth, from Joseph Smith to himself. He has never gone beyond Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or John Taylor. He weaves a claim of revelation; a pre-existent foreordination; ordination to a 70 before his excommunication; extension of the priesthood to the blacks in 1978, resulting, as he alleges, to a latter-day apostasy of the Church; a total disregard for the vision of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, of great success and expansion of the Church worldwide, diminishing this vision to that of one prophet holding the keys, with one disciple, no Church or priesthood quorums. I discuss such Mormon Basics as: The highest priesthood keys were to be invested in the Church. The President of the Church is the President of the High Priesthood. All who leave the Church or are excommunicated hold no priesthood keys or authority. There is to be no modern-day apostasy of the Church. The meaning of D&C 85 on the "one mighty and strong."    

An Alleged Prophet Art Bulla has been claiming for almost 3 decades to be the successor of Joseph Smith holding the highest priesthood keys, being the Lord's annointed and even superior to Joseph Smith and his successors, claiming to be One Mighty and Strong, to set an apostate LDS Church in order.After many years of discussion on the air and in person with Art Bulla I have decided to address his claims directly by talking about some basic principles of Mormonism introduced by Joseph Smith and endorsed by his successors, but ignored or denied by Bulla. I have tried hard to understand his claims. Basically, he claims that his having been ordained a 70 gives him the highest priesthood keys, eventhough he was excommunicated from the Church. He argues that a person need not be a member of the Church to hold the highest priesthood keys. In fact, he claims that the highest keys are held by a council known as the Council of 50, organized by Joseph Smith in 1844. However, to be a member of this Council, according to Bulla, holding the highest priesthood keys, a person did not need to believe in Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Bible, Jesus or God. Bulla claims he received the highest priesthood keys from the Church, which he asserts has been in apostasy for some time. I have asked him a number of times to trace the highest keys, those to be held only by one man at a time on the earth, from Joseph Smith to himself. He has never gone beyond Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or John Taylor. He weaves a claim of revelation; a pre-existent foreordination; ordination to a 70 before his excommunication; extension of the priesthood to the blacks in 1978, resulting, as he alleges, to a latter-day apostasy of the Church; a total disregard for the vision of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, of great success and expansion of the Church worldwide, diminishing this vision to that of one prophet holding the keys, with one disciple, no Church or priesthood quorums. I discuss such Mormon Basics as: The highest priesthood keys were to be invested in the Church. The President of the Church is the President of the High Priesthood. All who leave the Church or are excommunicated hold no priesthood keys or authority. There is to be no modern-day apostasy of the Church. The meaning of D&C 85 on the "one mighty and strong."    

Understanding the United FirmMy guest was Max Parkin. He is retired from the LDS Church Educational System (CES) after spending a lifetime in the study and teaching of Mormon topics. Currently, he is working with many others on the extensive Joseph Smith Papers Project. Specifically he is dealing with those Joseph Smith documents for the period of 1834-1838. Max gave details about this project which is to result in the publication of some 30 volumes. Max provided important clarification of economics of the Church in Kirtland and Missouri in 1832-1834. Click to read his 73 page article on the subject.He explained such terms as: The United Firm The United Order The Order of Enoch Consecration Stewardship He addressed such issues as: Ownership of property - Church owned and individually owned Financial workings of the Church during this early period Reasons for the failure of the the United Firm in Kirtland Reasons for conflicts between the Saints and the non-LDS residents in Independence Missouri. Deed of ownership and deed of stewardship Max explained that the publication of revelations (78, 82, 102, 103, 104) in the 1835 D&C were altered to disguise the United Firm and those who were its managers. Callers: Discussion with a caller on tithing and celestial law. Response to caller regarding his claim that the motivation of Church leaders has always been greed. Discussion with a caller on consecration A question from a caller about having all things in common. Max explained that Joseph Smith had no view of common ownership. Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ This is the 8 June 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.    

Understanding the United FirmMy guest was Max Parkin. He is retired from the LDS Church Educational System (CES) after spending a lifetime in the study and teaching of Mormon topics. Currently, he is working with many others on the extensive Joseph Smith Papers Project. Specifically he is dealing with those Joseph Smith documents for the period of 1834-1838. Max gave details about this project which is to result in the publication of some 30 volumes. Max provided important clarification of economics of the Church in Kirtland and Missouri in 1832-1834. Click to read his 73 page article on the subject.He explained such terms as: The United Firm The United Order The Order of Enoch Consecration Stewardship He addressed such issues as: Ownership of property - Church owned and individually owned Financial workings of the Church during this early period Reasons for the failure of the the United Firm in Kirtland Reasons for conflicts between the Saints and the non-LDS residents in Independence Missouri. Deed of ownership and deed of stewardship Max explained that the publication of revelations (78, 82, 102, 103, 104) in the 1835 D&C were altered to disguise the United Firm and those who were its managers. Callers: Discussion with a caller on tithing and celestial law. Response to caller regarding his claim that the motivation of Church leaders has always been greed. Discussion with a caller on consecration A question from a caller about having all things in common. Max explained that Joseph Smith had no view of common ownership. Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ This is the 8 June 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.    

Understanding the United FirmMy guest was Max Parkin. He is retired from the LDS Church Educational System (CES) after spending a lifetime in the study and teaching of Mormon topics. Currently, he is working with many others on the extensive Joseph Smith Papers Project. Specifically he is dealing with those Joseph Smith documents for the period of 1834-1838. Max gave details about this project which is to result in the publication of some 30 volumes. Max provided important clarification of economics of the Church in Kirtland and Missouri in 1832-1834. Click to read his 73 page article on the subject.He explained such terms as: The United Firm The United Order The Order of Enoch Consecration Stewardship He addressed such issues as: Ownership of property - Church owned and individually owned Financial workings of the Church during this early period Reasons for the failure of the the United Firm in Kirtland Reasons for conflicts between the Saints and the non-LDS residents in Independence Missouri. Deed of ownership and deed of stewardship Max explained that the publication of revelations (78, 82, 102, 103, 104) in the 1835 D&C were altered to disguise the United Firm and those who were its managers. Callers: Discussion with a caller on tithing and celestial law. Response to caller regarding his claim that the motivation of Church leaders has always been greed. Discussion with a caller on consecration A question from a caller about having all things in common. Max explained that Joseph Smith had no view of common ownership. Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ This is the 8 June 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.    

Mormonism in Print My guest, Curt Bench, is the owner of Benchmark Books and a leading authority on books published on Mormon history, doctrine, theology, biography, diaries etc. He deals in new, used and rare books. Following is a list of some topics covered in our discussion. Book recommendationsComments on a number of books on MormonismA new publication of the first 3 editions of the Book of Mormon in parallel columns Book of Mormon original manuscript, printers manuscript, first three printed additions The rare Mormon book business - current going price for an original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon Are there books which have been a challenge to our faith? Paul H. Dunn books Censured or Banned books Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine Upcoming publication of the Joseph Smith Papers Writing of history   Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 1 June 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year. To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.  

Mormonism in Print My guest, Curt Bench, is the owner of Benchmark Books and a leading authority on books published on Mormon history, doctrine, theology, biography, diaries etc. He deals in new, used and rare books. Following is a list of some topics covered in our discussion. Book recommendationsComments on a number of books on MormonismA new publication of the first 3 editions of the Book of Mormon in parallel columns Book of Mormon original manuscript, printers manuscript, first three printed additions The rare Mormon book business - current going price for an original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon

Mormonism in Print My guest, Curt Bench, is the owner of Benchmark Books and a leading authority on books published on Mormon history, doctrine, theology, biography, diaries etc. He deals in new, used and rare books. Following is a list of some topics covered in our discussion. Book recommendationsComments on a number of books on MormonismA new publication of the first 3 editions of the Book of Mormon in parallel columns Book of Mormon original manuscript, printers manuscript, first three printed additions The rare Mormon book business - current going price for an original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon< [...]

The Bible: Basic Reasoning I engage in some basic reasoning which logically follows from some simple facts about the Bible. I am surprised at the large number of Bible advocates who have not even considered the implication of many simple facts. Follow is a brief list of topics discussed. King James Version Comments on the development of the numerous ancient and modern canons called the Bible Divergent views of Jews at the beginning of the Christian era The question of the Dead Sea Scrolls There was not a gap of several centuries, as many have assumed, in Jewish religious writings between what are called the OT and the NT The New Testament views regarding the after life - heaven, hell, judgment etc. - have their roots, not in the Protestant OT or NT, but rather in Jewish writings available at the beginning of the Christian era some of which can be found in some ancient and modern canons, and some which are not found in any canon. Footnotes and study Bibles A caller insisted that baptism is found in the Old Testament An email asked questions as to why LDS continue to use the KJV A caller commented on Tyndale's translation and execution Response to an email about documents upon which parts of the four Gospels were based Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 10 February 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year. To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.    

The Bible: Basic Reasoning I engage in some basic reasoning which logically follows from some simple facts about the Bible. I am surprised at the large number of Bible advocates who have not even considered the implication of many simple facts. Follow is a brief list of topics discussed. King James Version Comments on the development of the numerous ancient and modern canons called the Bible Divergent views of Jews at the beginning of the Christian era The question of the Dead Sea Scrolls There was not a gap of several centuries, as many have assumed, in Jewish religious writings between what are called the OT and the NT The New Testament views regarding the after life - heaven, hell, judgment etc. - have their roots, not in the Protestant OT or NT, but rather in Jewish writings available at the beginning of the Christian era some of which can be found in some ancient and modern canons, and some which are not found in any canon. Footnotes and study Bibles A caller insisted that baptism is found in the Old Testament An email asked questions as to why LDS continue to use the KJV A caller commented on Tyndale's translation and execution Response to an email about documents upon which parts of the four Gospels were based Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 10 February 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year. To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.    

The Bible: Basic Reasoning I engage in some basic reasoning which logically follows from some simple facts about the Bible. I am surprised at the large number of Bible advocates who have not even considered the implication of many simple facts. Follow is a brief list of topics discussed. King James Version Comments on the development of the numerous ancient and modern canons called the Bible Divergent views of Jews at the beginning of the Christian era The question of the Dead Sea Scrolls There was not a gap of several centuries, as many have assumed, in Jewish religious writings between what are called the OT and the NT The New Testament views regarding the after life - heaven, hell, judgment etc. - have their roots, not in the Protestant OT or NT, but rather in Jewish writings available at the beginning of the Christian era some of which can be found in some ancient and modern canons, and some which are not found in any canon. Footnotes and study Bibles A caller insisted that baptism is found in the Old Testament An email asked questions as to why LDS continue to use the KJV A caller commented on Tyndale's translation and execution Response to an email about documents upon which parts of the four Gospels were based Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 10 February 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year. To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view. Your voice will be heard around the world. Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes To make a comment, click on “Comment” below.