Deviate with Rolf Potts

“Give yourself the luxury of unplugging from the news cycle. Like travel, this will allow you to reconnect with an older way of being human."  –Rolf Potts To celebrate the launch of Deviate Season 3, Rolf gets the tables turned on him as he is interviewed by Konrad Waliszewski as part of TripScout's #TravelFromHome initiative. Discussion topics include how travel skills apply to quarantine life at home, and how to engage in creative new habits a familiar environment (3:00); how to find serendipity and spontaneity at home when you can't travel (12:00); hopes and advice for "getting travel right" once we're able to travel again (17:30); how to engage in the spirit of long-term travel when you have a more traditional life, such as kids or a place-based job (26:00); which travel books Rolf recommends right now, why he started the Deviate podcast, and which projects he plans to tackle in the near-future (31:00); and how Rolf plans his journeys, what inspired his early travels, and how he seeks to go vagabonding in places close to home (43:00). Konrad Waliszewski (@goKonrad) is the CEO and co-founder of TripScout, a travel entertainment platform and app that provides a portal for visual discovery by featuring the best articles and videos from top publishers and local influencers for each destination. Prior to TripScout, he was the COO of Speek as well as a consultant for private equity firms and Fortune 500 companies. Notable Links: Bocce (ball game) An African in Greenland, by Tété-Michel Kpomassie (book) Song of the Open Road, by Walt Whitman (poem) Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman (poetry collection) Annie Dillard (author) Video Night in Kathmandu, by Pico Iyer (book) Barbarian Days, by William Finnegan (book) On Photography, by Susan Sontag (essay collection) Still Processing (podcast) The Ringer (website) Go Viral Festival & Network (festival) How being travel-influential differs from being an travel “influencer” Van Life before #VanLife (Deviate episode) Walking every single street in New York City (Deviate episode) Punk icon Ian MacKaye (Deviate episode) Deviate Super Bowl special (podcast episode) Narrative therapy can make life feel more coherent (Deviate episode) Luke Van Tassel's TikTok (Rolf's nephew's social-media stories) The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.  Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

“The pandemic might be a pretext to reinvent travel writing in a way that actually reports on the nuances of a complicated world rather than just framing vacation experiences.” –Rolf Potts In this episode of Deviate, Rolf reports solo from his quarantine to talk about the end of his second podcast season, and the misconceptions people have about his home state of Kansas (0:50); what travel might look like once we are no longer in quarantine, the ethical issues surrounding the consumer rituals of the travel industry, and the shortcomings of commercial travel media and travel writing (9:00); how vagabonding travel skills, habits, instincts can help make pandemic quarantine easier and more dynamic, including reading books (16:00); a recap of the most interesting and unique episodes of Deviate Season Two, including movie episodes (20:40); what to expect from Season Three of Deviate, including episodes about travel, travel writing, nostalgia, and racial diversity (25:10); and what life is like for Rolf in quarantine in Kansas (30:00). ​The episode also includes songs from Cedar Van Tassel's album Lumber, including "USD 306," "Turkey Vulture Sky," and "Lumber."​ Notable Links: Deviate theme music: Cedars in Violent Territory Lumber album 13 Podcasts for Wandering Souls (New York Times article) Van Life before #VanLife (Deviate episode 79) Holiday (travel magazine published from 1946-1977) Abroad: British Literary Traveling between the Wars, by Paul Fussell (book) Spanish influenza (1918-1920 flu pandemic) Ari Shaffir on the finer points of indie travel (Deviate episode 103) On keeping a travel journal (Deviate episode 71) My Struggle, Karl Ove Knausgård (autobiographical series of novels) Seneca the Younger (Stoic philosopher) Ari Shaffir and Rolf on doing psychedelics (Deviate episode 53) The power of small choices across decades (Deviate episode 96) Why dinosaurs matter (Deviate episode 99) Leonardo DiCaprio’s The Beach, 20 years later (Deviate episode 59) Why Do the Right Thing remains a classic (Deviate episode 76) Wesley Morris (journalist and critic) Remembering Anthony Bourdain (Deviate episode 34) Travel and health in the age of COVID-19 (Deviate episode series) Rolf's pandemic book readings and suggestions: The Art of Memoir, by Mary Karr Native Stranger, by Eddy L. Harris The Way of the World, by Nicholas Bouvier A Field Guide to Getting Lost, by Rebecca Solnit Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman Pilgrim at Tinker Creek, by Annie Dillard Jesus' Son, by Denis Johnson Cannery Row, by John Steinbeck The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian, by Sherman Alexie Barbarian Days, by William Finnegan Vida, by Patricia Engel On the Plain of Snakes, by Paul Theroux Columbine, by Dave Cullen Why Dinosaurs Matter, by Kenneth Lacovara The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.  Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

“This is another thing that travel teaches you: It reminds you that you have to live now, and travel is a way of living now.” – Rolf Potts In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and his parents convene in quarantine to reminisce about their old trip to Paris and Prague together, and how it deepened their memories, their understanding of Europe, and their relationship with each other. They begin by talking about why exactly they went to Paris and Prague (8:00); what sights they saw in Paris, both intentional and accidental, and how they remember their experience there (13:00); how in some ways travel to other cultures is a form of "time travel" (18:00); how travel has a way of reverting travelers into a childlike awareness of their surroundings (24:00); why Père Lachaise Cemetery is a fascinating place to visit in Paris (30:00); how a hostel made for a good place from which to base an exploration of Prague, and what they found in the city by walking everywhere (36:00); the joy of taking public transport into unfamiliar neighborhoods and finding Corvette rallies and street performers and old citadels (43:00); and what their strongest memories of the travel experience were (52:00). George and Alice Potts are retired schoolteachers based in Kansas. Alice taught second graders in the Wichita public schools for more than 30 years. In 1994 her classes succeed in promoting legislation to declare the barred tiger salamander the Kansas State Amphibian. George taught science at various Wichita high schools, as well as at Friends University, where he pioneered graduate-level programs in Zoo Science and Environmental Studies. He also helped facilitate the Outdoor Wildlife Learning Sites (OWLS) program for the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks. Notable Links: 2020 COVID-19 pandemic (global viral outbreak) The Decameron (novellas collection by Giovanni Boccaccio) Black Death (14th century pandemic) China and Mongolia with my parents (Deviate episode) Paris Writing Workshop (summer creative writing class) SkyEurope (defunct budget airline) Souvenir, by Rolf Potts (book) Jardin des Plantes (botanical garden in Paris) Sainte-Chapelle (Gothic chapel in Paris) Palace of Versailles (old French royal residence outside of Paris) Père Lachaise Cemetery (largest cemetery in Paris) Frédéric Chopin (Polish composer) Jim Morrison (American rock singer) Abelard and Héloïse (French lovers) Czech Inn (hostel in Prague) Prague astronomical clock (medieval clock) House of the Black Madonna (Cubist building in Prague) Dancing House (Vlado Milunić/Frank Gehry building in Prague) Chevrolet Corvette (classic American sports car model) Výstaviště Praha (exhibition ground in Prague) Defenestrations of Prague (historical incidents) Charles Bridge (historic bridge over the Vltava river) This episode of Deviate is also brought to you by Tortuga Backpacks, which set the standard for the best, most durable, organized, and comfortable travel backpacks, and AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, and can customize the route to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"What will travel look like after the pandemic? In material ways it will probably change more than it did post-9/11." --Sean Keener In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Sean talk about how fast the assumptions surrounding international travel have changed in recent weeks, and how that has transformed the assumptions of the travel industry (4:15); making sense of the current uncertainty about how travel has been altered by the COVID-19 pandemic (9;30); distinguishing facts from stories while information about travel keeps changing (16:00); and what travel possibilities and travel ideals might look like in the near future (21:00). Sean Keener (@SEKeener) is the Cofounder and CEO of the BootsnAll Travel Network, a travel media network focused on planning complex, multi-stop, round-the-world travel. He is also the Chairman of AirTreks, a travel network specializing in multi-stop international travel. Notable Links: 2020 COVID-19 pandemic (global viral outbreak) Travel pros reflect on being grounded (Washington Post article) How COVID-19 will transform airports (Deviate episode) What it’s like to travel during COVID-19 (Deviate episode) How to make sense of pandemic health data (Deviate episode) 5 ways indie travel has changed since 1999 (Deviate episode) Monte Carlo simulation (predictive algorithm) Indie Travel Manifesto (travel-values initiative) The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. COVID-19 episode art was created by Luke Van Tassel. More of his art online here. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"Fear of fear is part of what we have to untangle. Sometimes the real fear never arrives, but you've already worked yourself into a state of crisis."  –Eva Holland In this episode of Deviate, Rolf talks to Eva talk about how she came to write a book about fear, how fear has affected her own life, and how fear was a part of researching and writing her book (2:00); how fear is defined in the scientific, physiological, and emotional sense (9:00); what Eva learned about existential fears in the context of losing her mother (15:00); how Eva came to be aware of with her fear of heights, and how she came to deal with it (20:00); what science has to say about intuition, what it's like to "smell fear," and what military research has revealed about how we manage fear (27:00); how the experience of trauma is related to certain kind of fear, and what therapies have been developed to help cure PTSD (33:00); the notion of "fearlessness," and what it's like for people who don't seem to experience fear in the way others do (40:00); a beta blocker therapy that is being developed in Amsterdam to treat fear memories (46:30); and how the fear of fear complicates fear itself (53:00). Eva Holland (@evaholland) is a correspondent for Outside magazine, and the author of Nerve: Adventures in the Science of Fear. Her work has been nominated for a Canadian National Magazine Award, anthologized in The Best Women's Travel Writing and The Best Canadian Sports Writing, and listed among the notable selections in multiple editions of The Best American Essays, The Best American Sports Writing, and The Best American Travel Writing. She lives in the Yukon Territory. Notable Links: Yukon (Canadian territory) Stephen King's It (novel) Phobia (anxiety disorder) Prolonged exposure therapy (form of behavior therapy) Amygdala (clusters of nuclei in the brain) Intuition (ability to acquire knowledge without conscious reason) Post-traumatic stress disorder (mental disorder) EMDR therapy (form of psychotherapy) Oklahoma City bombing (domestic terrorist attack) Alex Honnold (American rock climber) Patient S.M. (woman whose brain prevents her from feeling fear) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004 movie) Beta blocker (medication used manage heart rhythms) Propranolol (type of beta blocker) How narrative therapy makes life feel more coherent (Deviate episode) This episode is brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

“Imagine you wake up and you get this call telling you that your father died three days after your mother. How do you think I felt? I couldn't even cry any more. ” –Marco Ferrarese This episode of Deviate, Rolf summarizes the pandemic-travel reports he's been getting from travelers is places like London, Turkey, Mexico, India, and Macau (2:00); then the episode transitions into Marco Ferrarese's report about his travel-writing excursion in Peru, and what it's like to be locked down in the Peruvian mountain town of Cabanaconde (4:45); how he heard that Tundra and Maurizio, his parents back home in the Lombardy region Italy, had become sick, and why the virus was still spreading in that part of the country (6:45); how his parents' illness was initially misdiagnosed, and how things changed when they were admitted to the hospital (11:40); how it was difficult to interpret the news that was being passed along from the hospital as his parents' conditioned worsened, and how he found out that his mother, and later his father, had died (14:00); and how seriously we need to take the warnings we hear about COVID-19 (21:00). Marco Ferrarese is an independent researcher and freelance writer. He is author of Nazi Goreng, and Banana Punk Rawk Trails: A Euro-Fool’s Metal Punk Journeys in Malaysia, Borneo and Indonesia, and has reported from all over Asia for a number of international publications including BBC, CNN and National Geographic Traveller. His other projects include Penang Insider and Monkey Rock World: Untamed Travel on Asia's Hidden Roads. Episode art shows Marco Ferrarese's parents, Tundra and Maurizio, visiting the southern Italian town of Matera in 2015. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.  Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"Epidemiologists have found that you can slow a pandemic tremendously by focusing public hygiene efforts on three key global airports." –Dr. JP Santiago In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Dr. JP Santiago talk about how the COVID-19 pandemic will change global air travel moving forward (2:00); the prescience of the 2011 movie Contagion, what the scientific data says right now about how long COVID-19 can contaminate various surfaces (13:30); what to make of certain "folk cures" for COVID-19, as well as whether or not it's safe to take medicines like ibuprofen to treat symptoms (20:00); the future of post-traditional medical treatment approaches, such a telemedicine (29:30); what other pandemics, such as H1N1 can (or cannot) teach us about how to respond to COVID-19 (34:00); and when "normal" life might return, given pandemic concerns, and what that might look like (42:00). JP Santiago has been a family medicine physician in private practice in Dallas/Fort Worth for nearly 20 years. He earned his medical degree in 1997 from the University of Texas Southwestern in Dallas, and did his residency training and was chief resident at the University of Kansas Medical Center before returning to Texas. He will be retiring from private practice in April to work for the Indian Health Service to provide medical care to Native American reservations as a traveling physician. His wife is a physician as well and he has four children. He maintains an aviation magazine online at: https://theavgeeks.com/ Notable Links: World Health Organization COVID-19 updates (website) JP’s updates on the COVID-19 pandemic (Facebook posts) 2020 COVID-19 pandemic (global viral outbreak) 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Iceland Airport security repercussions due to the September 11 attacks Contagion (2011 Steven Soderbergh film) The New England Journal of Medicine (medical journal) 2003 SARS outbreak (global viral outbreak) Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness (TV show) 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic (global viral outbreak) 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic (global viral outbreak) Antibody (protein utilized by the immune system) This episode is also brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. AirTreks is a distributed travel company with employees working from all corners of the world to help with your flight planning, specializing in complex routes with up to 25 stops. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber. COVID-19 episode art was created by Luke Van Tassel. More of his art is online here. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"We need to avoid cherry-picking pandemic data that suits our personal narrative of what we think is going on." --Dr. JP Santiago In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Dr. JP Santiago talk about how the "existential threat" of pandemic is changing the way family-practice doctors are dealing with patients right now (1:40); the role of data in medicine, the definition of "observer bias," and how the willingness to arrive at conclusions that contradict one's initial hypothesis is essential in a medical context (9:30); a history of the shortcomings and dangers of naming infectious diseases after animals, people, or geographical places (20:00); how capitalism can be a force that can both enable and compromise solutions during a pandemic (33:30); and Dr. Santiago's advice on how people should respond to the pandemic (40:00). JP Santiago has been a family medicine physician in private practice in Dallas/Fort Worth for nearly 20 years. He earned his medical degree in 1997 from the University of Texas Southwestern in Dallas, and did his residency training and was chief resident at the University of Kansas Medical Center before returning to Texas. He will be retiring from private practice in April to work for the Indian Health Service to provide medical care to Native American reservations as a traveling physician. His wife is a physician as well and he has four children. He maintains an aviation magazine online at: https://theavgeeks.com/ Notable Links: World Health Organization COVID-19 updates (website) JP's updates on the COVID-19 pandemic (Facebook posts) 2020 COVID-19 pandemic (global viral outbreak) Mike Pompeo (American secretary of state) WHO Best Practices for the Naming Infectious Diseases (PDF) AIDS (immunodeficiency virus) Gay-related immune deficiency (original name for AIDS) 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic (global viral outbreak) 2003 SARS outbreak (global viral outbreak) 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic (global viral outbreak) 2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome (global viral outbreak) This episode is also brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. AirTreks is a distributed travel company with employees working from all corners of the world to help with your flight planning, specializing in complex routes with up to 25 stops. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. COVID-19 episode art was created by Luke Van Tassel. More of his art online here. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"All the struggles of travel have taught me lessons about survival that will be useful coming up." --Rollie Peterkin "I don't think there are any 'right' choices at the moment. We're all making the best with what we've got to work with." --Aimée Bruneau "I think we'll come out of this with a better sense that caring for other people is the most important thing in life. Not material possessions. Not political differences. Not ethnicity or religion. Just the fact that we're all one human family."  --Barbara Weibel In this episode of Deviate, Mike and Anne Howard describe what it's like to be staying put in Poland during the pandemic lockdown (2:30); Justine Miller talks about being stuck in a Tunis hotel after flights stopped leaving the airport (6:00); Rollie Peterkin recounts what it was like to travel in Turkey as news of the pandemic mounted (9:00); Samantha Page talks about how Australian emergency preparedness was enhanced by the recent wildfire outbreak there (13:30); Aimée Bruneau describes a comparatively laid-back atmosphere in Mexico (17:00); Jeremy Kroeker talks about how his inter-continental motorcycle journey has come to a stand-still in Uruguay (22:00); Barbara Ann Weibel talks about how locals and expats are working together to solve problems in Thailand (26:00); Karen Catchpole and Eric Mohl describe uncertain attitudes toward outsiders in parts of Argentina (30:45); Troy Nahumko talks about how his kids are dealing with new developments in Spain (35:00); and Dennis and Stephanie Kay describes how pandemic life in France is a model for what could happen in the United States (39:30). Pandemic dispatch correspondents: Mike & Anne Howard (@HoneyTrek) are the authors of Ultimate Journeys for Two: Extraordinary Destinations on Every Continent, and Comfortably Wild: The Best Glamping Destinations in North America. Justine Miller (@JustineIMiller)  is a TV reporter for News 12 The Bronx and News 12 Brooklyn in New York City. She and her husband are in the middle of a seven-month sabbatical that is taking them around the world. Rollie Peterkin (@Rolliepeterkin) is the author of The Cage: Escaping the American Dream, which recount his experience of becoming an MMA fighter in Peru after having left a career as a bond trader on Wall Street. Samantha Page (@sampagee) has traveling internationally for more than two years, and is now based in Canberra, where she works as a writer and content developer for the Australian National University. Aimée Bruneau is a professor of acting, a public speaking coach, an audiobook narrator, a children’s book author, a yoga teacher, a world travel addict, and an international pet-sitter. Jeremy Kroeker (@Jeremy_Kroeker) is the author of Motorcycle Therapy: A Canadian Adventure in Central America, and Through Dust and Darkness: A Motorcycle Journey of Fear and Faith in the Middle East. Barbara Ann Weibel (@holeinthedonut) has been traveling the world since she walked away from corporate life in 2007. She shares stories about the places she visits and the people she meets on her blog, Hole in the Donut Cultural Travel. Karen Catchpole and Eric Mohl (@transamericas_journey) have been traveling full-time since 2006, when they left their apartment in New York City and embarked on their ongoing Trans-Americas Journey. Troy Nahumko is an author and musician based in Caceres, Spain. His recent travel writing focuses on travels around the Mediterranean, from Tangiers to Istanbul. Dennis and Stephanie Kay are Americans who have been living abroad and traveling the world since 2003. They are currently living as full time residents in Strasbourg, France. This episode is also brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit a given journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Ced

"Being diagnosed with COVID-19 creates a lot of anxiety. And then you think: Is this thing I'm feeling just anxiety, or is it shortness of breath? Do I need to go to the hospital?" --Nomadic Matt Kepnes This episode of Deviate, begins with Rolf and Matt Kepnes taking about what it has been like for Matt to suffer from COVID-19, where he might have contracted it (having recently traveled to Taiwan, Paris, and New York), and what will happen to TravelCon in 2020 (2:30); digital nomad Melissa Witmer describes her social isolation in the Canary Islands after having traveled in Turkey (13:00); Marco Ferrarese talks about getting stuck in Peru while COVID-19 ravages his home country of Italy (16:40); Stephanie Johnson explains her decision to stay in rural Kenya rather than try and return stateside (21:05); Jon DeHart describes a seemingly lackadaisical pandemic atmosphere in Tokyo (27:10); Amber Hoffman recounts reactions to COVID-19 in Hong Kong and Spain (32:15); Claire and Sam Jessup talk about waiting out the lockdown in a motorhome in Denmark (37:50); and Brooks Eakin recounts the atmosphere in Shanghai, dating back to the first time in made headlines back in January (43:55). Travelers and correspondents appearing in this episode: Matt Kepnes (@nomadicmatt), commonly known as “Nomadic Matt,” is a travel blogger and the New York Times bestselling author of Travel the World on $50 a Day. He is also the founder of TravelCon, a yearly conference to help people learn the skills needed to develop a profitable and sustainable career in the travel industry. His newest book is Ten Years a Nomad. Melissa Witmer is the founder of UltyResults.com a business that helps ultimate frisbee players and coaches improve their performance on the frisbee field. She has been running this business as a digital nomad with no permanent location since 2015. Marco Ferrarese is an independent researcher and freelance writer. He is author of Nazi Goreng, and Banana Punk Rawk Trails: A Euro-Fool's Metal Punk Journeys in Malaysia, Borneo and Indonesia, and has reported from all over Asia for a number of international publications including BBC, CNN and National Geographic Traveller. Originally from Washington DC, Stephanie Nasbe Johnson currently lives in Kabarnet, Baringo County, Kenya, where she teaches art and computers through the Polkadot Library, which was set up to encourage a reading culture and promote gender equality. Jonathan DeHart is a Tokyo-based writer and editor focused on culture and society in Asia. He is the author of a first-edition Japan guidebook for Moon Travel Guides and a journalist with more than 500 published articles. Amber Hoffman is the food and travel writer behind With Husband In Tow, and, more recently, The Bean Bites, which is a recipe site that focuses on beans and lentils, including pantry staples. Her newest book is The Food Traveler’s Guide to The Costa Brava. Claire and Sam Jessup have been traveling by motorhome since getting married in September 2018. You can follow our adventures on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, or Twitter. Brooks Eakin (@BrooksEakin) is an American writer and musician based in Shanghai, China. The Deviate podcast is sponsored by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit a given journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. COVID-19 episode art was created by Luke Van Tassel. More of his art online here. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"Travel is in our nature. We'll have to counterbalance our new 'normal' when borders reopen to weigh in an extra element of risk." --Dr. JP Santiago In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Dr. JP Santiago talk about how to make sense of the misinformation about COVID-19 that has flooded social media, and how American cultural attitudes toward the pandemic differ from those in Asia (2:10); how COVID-19 affects its victims, and what data doctors are looking for about the pandemic (12:00); how the virus replicates itself, the duration of its incubation period, and how to stay healthy in public places (17:45); the importance of social distancing and self-quarantine for sick people, and how to keep from transmitting sickness to health workers (22:00); reliable online sources for information about the COVID-19 virus (29:00); how the pandemic has affected travel, and how travelers can stay healthy moving forward (32:00); what happens next with the COVID-19 pandemic worldwide, our efforts to create a vaccine, political foresight, and how the virus will affect human behavior moving forward (38:20). JP Santiago has been a family medicine physician in private practice in Dallas/Fort Worth for nearly 20 years. He earned his medical degree in 1997 from the University of Texas Southwestern in Dallas, and did his residency training and was chief resident at the University of Kansas Medical Center before returning to Texas. He will be retiring from private practice in April to work for the Indian Health Service to provide medical care to Native American reservations as a traveling physician. His wife is a physician as well and he has four children. He maintains an aviation magazine online at: https://theavgeeks.com/ Notable Links: World Health Organization COVID-19 updates (website) JP's updates on the COVID-19 pandemic (Facebook posts) Ajit Pai (FCC chairman under Donald Trump) 2020 COVID-19 pandemic (global viral outbreak) Social distancing (anti-contagion action) Intubation (medical procedure) Acute respiratory distress syndrome (lung inflammation) 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic (global viral outbreak) 2003 SARS outbreak (global viral outbreak) 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic (global viral outbreak) 2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome (global viral outbreak) CDC Travelers' Health (website resource) Joshua Lederberg (American molecular biologist) This episode is also brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. AirTreks is a distributed travel company with employees working from all corners of the world to help with your flight planning, specializing in complex routes with up to 25 stops. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. COVID-19 episode art was created by Luke Van Tassel. More of his art online here. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"The average human ear tunes out after about six minutes of orality. It used to be nine." --Elena Passarello In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Elena talk about the first giraffe ever to live in Paris in the 19th century (3:30); how public presentation and performance differs from other kinds of speaking and reading, and how to prepare for it (9:00); the role of nervousness in public speaking, and how to deal with it (21:00); how prepare a text or script before reading or using it as an outline in a public speaking situation (31:00); and the importance of concrete language and "syntactical music" in public speaking (42:00). Elena Passarello is an American writer, actor, and professor. Her book Let Me Clear My Throat (Sarabande, 2012), won the gold medal for nonfiction at the 2013 Independent Publisher Awards, and her essays on performance, pop culture, and the natural world have been published in Oxford American, Slate, and Creative Nonfiction, among other publications,. For more on Elena, check out https://www.elenapassarello.com/. Notable Links: Paris Writing Workshop (annual summer creative-writing class) Jardin des Plantes (botanical garden in Paris) Zarafa (giraffe who lived in the Jardin des Plantes) King Charles X of France (19th century king) Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire (French naturalist) Luis Alberto Urrea (poet, novelist, and essayist) Stump speech (standard speech used by a politician) Stage combat (theater technique) Bob Dole (American politician) Ian MacKaye on the history of rock (Deviate episode) Cher Ami (heroic World War I homing pigeon) Gerald Ford (38th president of the United States) T. Geronimo Johnson (author) Al Gore (American politician) Benjamin Percy on telling stories (Deviate episode) Karen Russell (novelist and short story writer) George Saunders (novelist) This episode is brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. If you’ve ever planned a trip with multiple stops, you know that finding the right flights can be difficult. Between balancing travel logistics and cost, it often becomes impossible to build an itinerary that matches your travel goals.  AirTreks is a distributed travel company with employees working from all corners of the world to help with your flight planning, specializing in complex routes with up to 25 stops. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"Travel is kind of strength-training for your soul." --Tara Quinn In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Tara talk about she got started coaching people pm setting up work sabbaticals, what her clients' most common concerns are, and how Americans' attitude toward work are different from the rest of the world (3:00); common tactics and techniques she employs as a sabbatical coach, and what kinds of clients she attracts (17:00); how to use travel as a pretext for professional development, self-education, and changing careers (28:00); the importance of imperfection and failure in learning useful lessons from travel (40:00); and ending a long-term sabbatical journey and transitioning back into professional life (48:00). Tara Quinn (@threemonthvisa) is a certified life and career coach with a passion for working with clients who dream of taking time off to travel, live, work, study or volunteer abroad. Tara roster of clients includes people from companies such as Apple, Google, Microsoft, Bank of America, UC Berkeley, and The United Nations. For more on Tara and her career, check out http://www.threemonthvisa.com/. Notable Links: Dude, Where's My Car? (movie) Vagabonding, by Rolf Potts (book) Wanderlust, edited by Don George (book) "Why We Travel," by Pico Iyer (essay) Pico Iyer on what Japan can teach us about life (Deviate episode) Tales of a Female Nomad, by Rita Golden Gelman (book) Gap year (yearlong break before or after university) Wharton School (business school at UPenn) Gap analysis (comparison of desired versus actual performance) Explore Europe on Foot (Deviate episode) Le Cordon Bleu (culinary school) Digital nomadism (mobile work-travel movement) Bodh Gaya (Buddhist pilgrimage site in India) Culture shock (anxiety from being in an unfamiliar place) CSI: Miami (police procedural TV drama series) This episode of Deviate is brought to you by Tortuga Backpacks, which set the standard for the best, most durable, organized, and comfortable travel backpacks. Tortuga products also include daypacks, duffels, and other travel accessories, which are all made with the traveler in mind and have been featured by Wirecutter, The New York Times, Travel + Leisure, Business Insider, Carryology, and many other industry outlets. This episode is also brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. If you’ve ever planned a trip with multiple stops, you know that finding the right flights can be difficult. Between balancing travel logistics and cost, it often becomes impossible to build an itinerary that matches your travel goals.  AirTreks is a distributed travel company with employees working from all corners of the world to help with your flight planning, specializing in complex routes with up to 25 stops. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

"It doesn't matter where you're going. Just find a reason to go." --Ari Shaffir Ari Shaffir (@AriShaffir) is a comedian, writer, podcaster, and actor. He is the current host of the Skeptic Tank podcast. For more information on Ari, visit his website. This episode of Deviate is excerpted from Ari Shaffir’s Skeptic Tank episode #298: Vagabonder. ​In this episode of Deviate, Ari and Rolf sit down in New York's Tompkins Square Park and talk about the esoteric obsessions that lead you into unique adventures in faraway countries, and the best way to meet people on the road (4:20)​; ​learning languages other than English (11:30); how the presence of communication technology has changed travel, including its social dynamic (17:30); using toilets, eating unfamiliar food, and haggling in markets in non-Western countries (28:00); how travel changes once you're more experienced as a traveler (53:00); comfort food, ordering food overseas, living as an expat overseas, and getting started out in your career overseas (1:04:00); how expectations affect a journey, and how expectations affect one's task as a travel writer (1:17:00). Notable Links: The Chernobyl Podcast (HBO companion podcast) Scriptnotes (screenwriting podcast) Another Name for Every Thing (Richard Rohr podcast) Qamishli (Syrian-Turkish border town) Ulpan (school for the intensive study of Hebrew) Yinzer (Pittsburgh vernacular word) Quiet, by Susan Cain (book) Squat toilet (toilet common in Asia and Africa) A few notes on wiping your ass (Barry Sonnenfeld essay) Marco Polo Didn't Go There, by Rolf Potts (book) Souvenir, by Rolf Potts (book) Hogg Market (Kolkata market) Kelsey Timmerman (author) "Man bites dog," by Rolf Potts (dog meat article) Balut (Asian street food, boiled egg embryo) Vélib' (bicycle sharing system in Paris) Mandarin Oriental (Bangkok luxury hotel) Yeshiva (Jewish educational institution) "On the Trans-Siberian Express," by Rolf Potts (travel essay) Freighthopping (riding a railroad freight car) Van Life before #VanLife (Deviate podcast episode) Donahue Show (TV talk show) Thomas Merton (Trappist monk and author) Postcolonialism (academic study of the legacy of imperialism) Cockfighting (blood sport) "Turkish Knockout," by Rolf Potts (travel essay) Skeptic Tank interview with Henry Rollins (podcast episode) This episode of Deviate is brought to you by Tortuga Backpacks, which set the standard for the best, most durable, organized, and comfortable travel backpacks. Tortuga products also include daypacks, duffels, and other travel accessories, which are all made with the traveler in mind and have been featured by Wirecutter, The New York Times, Travel + Leisure, Business Insider, Carryology, and many other industry outlets. This episode is also brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. If you’ve ever planned a trip with multiple stops, you know that finding the right flights can be difficult. Between balancing travel logistics and cost, it often becomes impossible to build an itinerary that matches your travel goals.  AirTreks is a distributed travel company with employees working from all corners of the world to help with your flight planning, specializing in complex routes with up to 25 stops. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

“Part of our lives are lived on social media and part are lived in our heart and in the real world. The discrepancy between the two often makes people miserable.” – Aaron Hamburger In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Aaron discuss identifying with Nirvana (3:00); the nature of genius (11:00); and the search of authenticity (20:00). Aaron Hamburger (@hamburger_aaron) is an author whose writing has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune. He is the author of Nirvana is Here and The View from Stalin’s Head, which was awarded the Rome Prize by the American Academy of Arts and Letters and nominated for a Violet Quill Award. For more on Aaron, check out https://aaronhamburger.com/. Notable Links: Nevermind (music album) Smells like Teen Spirit, by Nirvana (song) Kurt Cobain (musician) Leonard Cohen (singer) McCabe & Mrs. Miller (film) Hallelujah (song) Random Access Memories (music album) The Stone Roses (band) Pixies (band) The Smashing Pumpkins (band) Ferris Bueller’s Day Off (film) Marcel Proust (writer) Claudine at School, by Colette (novel) This episode is also brought to you by AirTreks, an industry leader in multi-stop international travel. If you’ve ever planned a trip with multiple stops, you know that finding the right flights can be difficult. Between balancing travel logistics and cost, it often becomes impossible to build an itinerary that matches your travel goals.  AirTreks is a distributed travel company with employees working from all corners of the world to help with your flight planning, specializing in complex routes with up to 25 stops. The AirTreks website offers suggested pre-planned travel itineraries to help you get started, but can customize to fit your journey. The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel's 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we're happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.