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Summary: On today's Kubernetes Unpacked podcast, Michael and Kristina catch up with Arsh Sharma, Developer Experience Engineer at Okteto. Arsh dives into the key aspects to consider for incorporating a proper developer experience for Kubernetes and the overall cloud-native ecosystem.