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Summary: In a recent chat with Phil, we talked about the fact that leadership often comes with what he calls “hatred and misunderstanding.” (In fact, as Steve would say, it “goeswith” it.)
Summary: In a recent chat with Phil, we talked about the fact that leadership often comes with what he calls “hatred and misunderstanding.” (In fact, as Steve would say, it “goeswith” it.)