Summary: For the first episode of our new border series, Ali talks to Jason De León, a MacArthur Genius Fellow and author of The Land of Open Graves. Through in-depth anthropological study of crossings through the Sonoran desert, Jason has explored how deterrence has failed to turn away border-crossers for two decades. Jason tells Ali about the journeys of people who unsuccessfully made dozens of attempts to cross the border — and the objects and bodies left behind.
