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Summary: The New Stack Editor in Chief Alex Williams sat down at last month’s Kubecon to talk about telco’s cloud-native future with Heather Kirksey, VP of community and ecosystems at OPNFV, and Taylor Carpenter, partner and founder of Vulk Coop design and development cooperative. The different collaborative, telecom-focused Linux Foundation and CNCF working groups that Kirksey and Carpenter are a part of have witnessed — and sometimes driven — telco’s move over the last five years from monolithic hardware appliances toward what’s now known as the cloud.