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Summary: A couple +1s ago, we hung out with Christopher McDougall and his Natural Born Heroes. For those who may not know, McDougall is also the author of Born to Run. He’s a brilliant story teller.
Summary: A couple +1s ago, we hung out with Christopher McDougall and his Natural Born Heroes. For those who may not know, McDougall is also the author of Born to Run. He’s a brilliant story teller.