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Summary: SPaMCAST 572 features our interview with Michael Larsen. Mr. Larsen and I battled fires, Santa Ana winds, and power cuts to have a great conversation on testability. Anyone that has participated in delivering software EVER has wrestled with a discussion of whether a story or requirement can be proved. Michael brings fresh and actionable insights into how to assure testability.