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Summary: Today we are talking to Hans, the CTO of LogiGear. And we discuss the benefits of testing and getting people excited for it, becoming a change agent to drive innovation, and listening to the market to provide value to the customer. All of this, right here, right now, on the Modern CTO Podcast!