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Summary: Civilization is danger of extinction, but Peter Crutchley of New Zealand has some ideas about how to save it. Find Peter on Twitter @petercrutchley For another interview that includes South Africa go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJQFDp1PdTk