#312 - Grant Cameron & Alex Tsakiris
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Summary: Grant Cameron is back in Grimerica to chat about the latest in his interest in UFO’s and Consciousness. Alex Tsakiris, host of Skeptiko joins us as well to ask Grant some difficult questions. We chat about the definition of “downloads”, how everything is consciousness, the difference if any between good and evil if any