![Hanselminutes - Fresh Talk and Tech for Developers show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/083/867/small/hanselminutes-fresh-talk-and-tech-for-developers.jpg)
Summary: Richard is a dev that spends most of his time in the presentation layer and Felix is a designer. Richard is focused on the Xaml and code, unlike Felix who is a tragically hip and talented designer who is focused on design and user experience. Can Xaml bring this odd couple together?