Summary: <p class="p1"><span class="s1">It’s been five years since Pope Francis’ election, so Kirsten and Jonathan discuss his influence—from his personal life to his most controversial comments. He’s wildly popular among Catholics and Christians generally, but many conservatives are concerned he is changing the Church for the worse, particularly when it comes to marriage. So the episode wraps with a lively debate between <i>The New York Times</i> columnist Ross Douthat and Jesuit author Fr. James Martin.</span></p> <p> </p> <span class="et_bloom_bottom_trigger"></span><br>
