ICYMI: This Was Supposed to Be A Call About Aretha and Whitney. It Turned in to Something Deeper.
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Summary: Tony Blair said about America: “I sometimes think it is a good rule of thumb to ask of a country: are people trying to get into it or out of it? It’s not a bad guide to what sort of country it is.”