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Summary: Mike Ash joins John to talk about reference counting, learning new APIs, Swift tooling vs new language features, what if Swift would've been Objective-C 3.0 and much more. Thanks a lot to Gabriel Roupillard, Kedar Vaidya, Christopher, Khawaja Farooq and Roberto Garrido for this episode's questions & topics! Submit your question/topic at swiftbysundell.com/podcast, or by tweeting to @swiftbysundell.