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Summary: The Athletic's Jimmy Durkin, Vic Tafur and David Lombardi talk about where the winless 49ers can go from here, how the Raiders will deal without injured quarterback Derek Carr for a couple of weeks, and plenty of other topics surrounding both teams and the rest of the NFL.