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Summary: We talk with Brandon Hurlbut, co-founder and partner of Boundary Stone Partners on the role of government in driving clean energy innovation through efforts like ARPA-E and the DOE's $38 billion investment fund in clean energy. Brandon previously served as Chief of Staff and Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary Steven Chu at the U.S. Department of Energy.