06/08/2016 Wednesday – Chuck’s special guests were Rebecca Gordon and Frank Gregory Ford.
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Summary: 6-8-2016 Rebecca Gordon PhD , was tonights guest, Her latest book, American Nuremberg: The Officials Who Should Stand Trial for Post 9/11 War Crimes is the focus. Frank Gregory Ford also joined into the discussion as Rebecca and Chuck examined the inter-locking scourge of many shades. Rebecca Gordon's website is https://mainstreamingtorture.org/