Episode #4 - Wilbert Seele (Prowareness)




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Summary: In this fourth episode of the podcast I chat with Wilbert Seele, my colleague at Prowareness. He’s an Agile Scaling expert and ‘Continuous Disruptor'. I asked him on the podcast not to discuss tips and tricks for the Product Owner, but to discuss the idea of a 'Chief' Product Owner and why he thinks that is a really bad idea or even a really, really, really bad idea. In this interview we also discuss the importance of knowing your problem, translating that into your process/product design and avoiding the sunk cost fallacy. And I diss accountants. To be sure: I do think there is value in doing proper accounting, as the right side of the manifesto: supporting the value adding activities and the individuals and interactions. So I meant it half-jokingly. And ironically we conclude our conversation with the advice to always take Product Ownership seriously! ;-) Since we aim to continually improve this series, we highly value your feedback. If you have any comments, tips, input, questions… Please contact us using one of the following: • Feedback form: https://www.research.net/r/ZPWTCK6 • Follow us @po_podcast https://twitter.com/PO_Podcast • Email: Productownerpodcast@prowareness.nl Links & resources from this episode • Wilbert on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wjseele/ • https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-i-dont-like-chief-product-owners-wilbert-seele • https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-i-dont-like-chief-product-owners-safe-work-version-seele • Read more about the Sunk Cost fallacy and other thinking traps in Thinking Fast & Slow by Daniel Kahneman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow Subscribe to the podcast • Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLp8-sNr1WXp4qsXlFdsKfdZanL0Pq4Rj9 • Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/productownerpodcast/ • iTunes Podcasts: https://itunes.apple.com/nl/podcast/product-owner-podcast-powered/id1183369330?l=en&mt=2 • TuneIn: http://tunein.com/radio/Product-Owner-Podcast-p941555/ Learn more about Product Ownership at the Prowareness Agile Academy • Product Owner training: https://www.agileacademy.nl/training/?eventtitle=professional-scrum-product-owner-training • Product Owner Advanced training: https://www.agileacademy.nl/training/?eventtitle=product-owner-advanced • SAFe Product Management/Product Owner training: https://www.agileacademy.nl/training/?eventtitle=safe-product-management-product-owner-training