Summary: In Episode 080, Trev and AJ chat about the power of saying no (so long as it's not coming from a place ego — and is aligned with the larger vision for your life), as well the one thing that instantly takes you from amateur to pro status: shipping. Then they sit down with Mad Men actor Darren Pettie for Part 1 of a 2-part chat about his unlikely journey to Hollywood. Total running time: 53:06.
