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Summary: In this special episode, Anne McElvoy interviews best-selling author Rutger Bregman in front of a live studio audience at the RSA in London. His book, "Utopia for Realists" advocates that we re-embrace grand dreams of progress. But history has its share of dangerous utopian fanatics - so why revive idealism at all?