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Summary: Eoin and Ken talk about saying the unsayable and the tragedy of Dave Whelan's 78-year old frame of reference. Dion Fanning analyses Liverpool's latest Premier League surrender. And Philippe Auclair wonders whether Arsenal are ever going to change.