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Summary: In this episode of Design Matters, Debbie Millman talks to designer Emily Oberman about the three acts of her career: working with Tibor Kalman at M&Co, starting Number Seventeen studio with Bonnie Seigler, and what it was like becoming a partner at Pentagram.