![Design Matters with Debbie Millman show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/027/070/small/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-2009-2012.jpg)
Summary: In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, Roberto de Vicq de Cumptich discusses growing up in Brazil and the lack of serif fonts in much of Brazilian design, the role of art vs the role of design, and adding wit into designs. "Life is hard, let's make it better."