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Summary: Dan Benjamin is joined by Chad Pytel to discuss independent business, software development, staying small, slow growth, and success through open source.
Summary: Dan Benjamin is joined by Chad Pytel to discuss independent business, software development, staying small, slow growth, and success through open source.