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Summary: In this podcast interview with Debbie Millman, Stephen Doyle discusses working for Tibor Kalman, renting his soul to the devil, fear of failure, magazines and working with his hands.
Summary: In this podcast interview with Debbie Millman, Stephen Doyle discusses working for Tibor Kalman, renting his soul to the devil, fear of failure, magazines and working with his hands.