![Design Matters with Debbie Millman show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/027/070/small/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-2009-2012.jpg)
Summary: In this podcast interview with Debbie Millman, Steven Heller discusses <em><span style="font-style: normal;">his new book </span>Pop: How Graphic Design Shapes Popular Culture</em>, blogging from the bathroom, working with Patti Smith, Paul Rand's tombstone and, of course, writing.