![Design Matters with Debbie Millman show](https://d3dthqtvwic6y7.cloudfront.net/podcast-covers/000/027/070/small/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-2009-2012.jpg)
Summary: In this podcast with Debbie Millman, Kate Betts discusses what it means for First Lady Michelle Obama to be a style icon, the visual image she projects, her sculpted arms, and the inevitable comparisons and differences between her and Jackie Kennedy.