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Summary: In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, Erik Spiekermann discusses why numbers are harder to design than letters, finding his print shop burned to the ground and why he's trying to get out of work.
Summary: In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, Erik Spiekermann discusses why numbers are harder to design than letters, finding his print shop burned to the ground and why he's trying to get out of work.