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Summary: In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, Wolff Olins CEO Karl Heiselman discusses the controversial London 2012 logo, designing the culture of Wolff Olins and his views on branding and popularity.
Summary: In this audio interview with Debbie Millman, Wolff Olins CEO Karl Heiselman discusses the controversial London 2012 logo, designing the culture of Wolff Olins and his views on branding and popularity.