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The Fourth Way

Summary: A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.

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 (128) S7E23 Nonviolent Action: Recap/Conclusion | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 502

We recap some of the biggest takeaways from our season on nonviolent action.

 (127) S7E22 Is the Gospel Enough? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 2163

In this episode I meander through the ultimate question we have to ask after a whole season on nonviolent action: "Is the Gospel enough?" I talk about the gospel, what it means to have a holistic gospel, and how me and my group (conservative Evangelicals) tend to conveniently and selectively apply these mantras "the gospel alone" and "social justice.' I discuss some of the problems Christians need to think through if they are to follow a book which never concerned itself with establishing rights, and rather calls one to suffering, submission, and cross. Rather than an episode bringing a solid conclusion, this episode ends with more questions than answers, and will hopefully be followed up in season 10 on government, which I am planning to begin in April of 2022.

 (126) S7E21 {Interview ~ Jacob Linzy of Tasting Anarchy} More Quakers, or Friends with Spiritual Benefits | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 4770

Following up our episodes on Benjamin Lay and an interview discussing the Quakers, we take one more episode to dive into the Quaker world in an attempt to understand what sorts of ideas and practice might help us to form characters which seek justice in the world despite the sacrifices such actions may call for. Intro - 0:00 Why do Quakers seem to have a clearer prophetic vision than other Christians? 2:15 Importance of individual action. 12:30 Hearing from God and consensus making 19:00 Importance of silence and discerning God's voice. 31:00 Do Quakers align with the early church? 41:00 How does consensus making work if you must make immediate decisions? 48:30 The importance and prominence of sacrifice among Quakers. 58:30 Jake's plugs. 77:30

 (125) S7E20 {Interview - Mary Crauderueff} Who Are Quakers? | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 2879

I had the privilege of speaking with Mary Crauderueff who is a historian/archivist on the Quakers, and a Quaker herself. Since we reference Quakers with some frequency on the show, she helps us to understand them a bit better, as well as helps me to take them off the pedestal I have them on in my mind. She also helps us understand what types of ideas and practices may help lead Quakers towards justice more quickly than other groups. Intro. 0:00 Quakers always on the right side of justice? 7:00 Quaker history. 10:00 Do Quakers fracture less than Protestants? 16:00 What makes a Quaker a Quaker? 22:30 Quaker consensus making. 26:45 Persecution of Quakers. 32:45 2 Questions. 39:45 What hermeneutic allowed Quakers to allow women leaders and oppose slavery before almost all other groups of Christians? 41:30 How do Quakers view government in light of its intrinsic use of force? 42:40

 (124) S1E27 Rebuttal: Gouge Out Your Eye - Inconsistent Nonviolent Hermeneutics in the Sermon on the Mount | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 358

Nonviolent Christians often cite the Sermon on the Mount as the most influential passage in their encounter with the radical Jesus. Rather than taking Jesus metaphorically, we take him at his word. But do we really? Sometimes it seems like we pick and choose what we keep as metaphor in the Sermon. I mean, gouging out our eyes or cutting off our hands remains a metaphor, right? I briefly address how I've been wrestling with Jesus's seeming hyperbole, and how I am discovering more and more how radical truths and reality are often only hyperbole to us because our darkened minds still can't grasp many divine truths.

 (123) S2E27 Abuse in the Church and the Network of Sins | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 1034

Taking the story of Benjamin Lay discussed in the last episode, we harken back to our series on consequentialism and discuss why our churches still harbor egregious evils. We explore the concept of a network of sins, and see how capitulation to "ends justify the means" morality in order to grasp at political power isn't a minor compromise, but rather the deep roots of sin which bears fruit in terrible, terrible ways.

 (122) S7E19 Nonviolence and Abolition: The Curious Case of Benjamin Lay | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 2759

I think this has been one of my favorite episodes to research and complete so far. I get to talk about Quakers, pre-Revolution America, abolition, nonviolence, Critical Race Theory and legislation, and other awesomeness. I discuss the interesting story of Benjamin Lay and use him as template to evaluate nonviolent methodology as well as impact and effectiveness.

 (121) S7E18 Nonviolent Action: Individual Nonviolence | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 4316

While this season has been about larger nonviolent actions up to this point, this episode looks at how the Christian should think about individual nonviolence. Some of the allure of larger actions may disappear because you lose the power in numbers, but we discuss the Christian motivation for nonviolence as well as the practicality of individual nonviolence.

 (120) S7E17 Nonviolent Action: Unarmed Civilian Protectors | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 699

Many think that nonviolent actions are events which are rare, and events which often end up thrusting themselves upon a populous. In this episode we discuss UCP's (unarmed civilian protectors) and how groups have begun pursuing aggressive reconciliation by putting their lives on the line.

 (119) S7E16 Memorial Day and the Sacrifices of the Nonviolent | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 714

This Memorial Day we commemorate those who have laid down their lives in nonviolent action in order to make the world a better place.

 (118) S7E15 {Interview - Hanna Nation} Learning from Wang Yi and the Chinese House Church | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 5853

I talk with Hannah Nation of China Partnership about Wang Yi and the Chinese house church. We discuss various issues related to nonviolence, government, and suffering. ------------------------------- Intro 0:00 Hannah Intro 3:00 Recap 9:00 Who is Wang Yi? 14:00 Why was Wang Yi arrested? 27:00 Wang Yi's law background and influence 36:00 Eschatology as a guide to action 41:00 Nonviolence and the Chinese church 48:00 Protest for power and control vs. the prophetic role of the church 54:00 Participation in government 60:00 Cross and the landfill analogy of Christian action in the world 67:00 Suffering 72:00 How would China view the U.S. church's reaction to government mandates due to COVID? Persecution or peace? 78:00 Fruit of Spirit and persecution as a call to our own repentance 84:00 Eschatology take 2 91:00 Biggest take away Americans can get from China and Wang Yi 94:30

 (117) S7E14 Nonviolent Action: The Baltic Way | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 394

We explore a lesser known nonviolent action which took place in the former Soviet Union, known as "The Baltic Way." We particularly note how momentum is an important aspect of successful nonviolent action.

 (116) S7E13 Nonviolent Action: The People Power Revolution | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 1052

This episode explores the 1986 revolution in the Philippines known as the "People Power Revolution."

 (115) S7E12 Nonviolent Action: Iranian Revolution | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 1269

We look at the Iranian Revolution and discuss how nonviolent movements can be used by violent opportunists, and how we often create our own enemies.

 (114) S7E11 Pastor Wang Yi's "My Declaration of Faithful Disobedience" | File Type: audio/mpeg | Duration: 831

After two difficult episodes which ask us as Christians to consider what it means to love and submit, we go for round 3. This episode looks at Pastor Wang Yi's article entitled, "My Declaration of Faithful Disobedience." Thanks to Hannah Nation and the China Partnership for permission to reproduce this. Looking forward to their upcoming book on Pastor Yi!


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