The Fourth Way

We round out the season by circling back to the issue of nonviolence, and looking at how truth is vital for fighting injustice.  A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SCHw3EvqcOEtdEDhamaj4PaBTqZEuYIlnISNEc-VTmc/edit?usp=sharing Making Sense Out of Suffering: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/256138.Making_Sense_Out_of_Suffering Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12hvujJAW3X9W-w98b7TNWi8pYow6Xupd-HHZ6_BeVV4/edit?usp=sharing  Loving to Know: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11933842-loving-to-know?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=XWnd3R1hFl&rank=1  Panopticon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbllEmx0WPU&t=371s Discipline and Punish: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/80369.Discipline_and_Punish?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=rD9eynB6b3&rank=1 Snowden: https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/7140597.Edward_Snowden Ellsberg: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/86433.Secrets?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=7aHe1xV3lS&rank=3 HTLINGUAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTLINGUAL 1971 COINTELPRO Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9lr3-7EYHI Optic Nerve: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ) Double Slit Experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuv6hY6zsd0 Schrodinger's Cat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjaAxUO6-Uw Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode we explore what true community looks like and how it encourages and empowers us towards the ideal.  A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiP9DSUU7xchPig9OhmkkfNlaJfYGsk7aGscAww7ySU/edit?usp=sharing Spontaneous Expansion of the Church: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19385367-the-spontaneous-expansion-of-the-church?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=iBTfX9Z3wp&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

We explore how discipleship is a counter-propaganda formation of individuals.  A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Peo4iNiPilWWTJ8B8F_XHSiOS4MTDq9V/view?usp=sharing Desiring the Kingdom: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5944774-desiring-the-kingdom?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=ig8l8BFA4X&rank=1 Human Rites: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40611363-human-rites?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=ME5nERj9lX&rank=1 Divine Conspiracy: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/173454.The_Divine_Conspiracy?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=AeM1nwNGDi&rank=1 Life Together: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/174845.Life_Together?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=5nUnokSgaI&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

I chat with Doug Smith, author of "Unintentional," about propaganda and discipleship. 0:00 - My Intro4:00 - Doug's Intro8:30 - Importance of ecumenicism15:40 - Shaping our desires23:50 - How to shape our desires35:15 - Postman, Huxley, and Orwell40:50 - Self-created purpose46:10 - Anti-propaganda w/out God50:15 - Desire as identity55:00 - Convert vs. Disciple1:03:15 - Jesus is King1:10:45 - Is discipleship propaganda?1:16:20 - Closing thoughts A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mNdEtM0-0GIorXTsurQLPfmuP1GGpO-Ero5QlcShnH8/edit?usp=sharing Video Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4VJ1hKiCIQ Unintentional: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42794462-un-intentional?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_24 Corporations Colonize the Mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUTbnjIHfkg Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50611052-the-rise-and-triumph-of-the-modern-self?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17 Jonathan Haidt: https://jonathanhaidt.com/ Amusing Ourselves to Death: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/74034.Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_26 Brave New World: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5129.Brave_New_World?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_15 Salvation by Allegiance Alone: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30259209-salvation-by-allegiance-alone?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=Mig9yUctuV&rank=1 Gospel Allegiance: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44000714-gospel-allegiance?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=4QJUdaO8z0&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

We explore how discipleship is a counter-propaganda formation of individuals.  A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eaXKMigsIxXgrLSXEO4vvd9cJZe05wSl58opBlbryJo/edit?usp=sharing Desiring the Kingdom: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5944774-desiring-the-kingdom?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=ig8l8BFA4X&rank=1 Human Rites: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40611363-human-rites?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=ME5nERj9lX&rank=1 Divine Conspiracy: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/173454.The_Divine_Conspiracy?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=AeM1nwNGDi&rank=1 Life Together: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/174845.Life_Together?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=5nUnokSgaI&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This episode explores how the idea of "peace and purity of the church" is often used as a cudgel against victims and survivors, and a way to silence dissent.  A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DuZ8vwnHFeLOAxpyclEaW3ahbXg95mGza1vgbVcHIjY/edit?usp=sharing Article: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/the-weaponization-of-peace Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Episode Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tsChO4QAFmFGqp2PILbZx1oE9ysw3UTZe5kedsj30YQ/edit?usp=sharing  Smedley butler’s letter to mothers: https://www.anarchochristian.com/a-letter-to-mothers/  Puckle Gun different bullets:  https://sofrep.com/news/the-puckle-gun-for-shooting-square-bullets-into-non-christians/  Martin of Tours: https://stmr.hwcdsb.ca/ourfaith/patron/ Veterans Day History: https://web.archive.org/web/20060728130527/http://www1.va.gov/opa/vetsday/vetdayhistory.asp All Quiet on the Western Front: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr_Ouytl9Ws&feature=youtu.be Martinmas: https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Martinmas Battle of Mons: https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Mons-1918 Henry Gunther: https://veteransbreakfastclub.org/the-last-man-to-die-in-world-war-i/ VFW 1858: http://vfwmd.org/di/vfw/v2/postroster.asp  Truman's Barbarity: https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/library/truman-papers/correspondence-harry-s-truman-bess-wallace-1910-1919/november-11-1918  Truman/Oppenheimer: https://screenrant.com/did-president-truman-call-oppenheimer-a-crybaby/ Nagasaki Bombing and Urakami Christians: https://artsandculture.google.com/story/atomic-bombing-in-nagasaki-and-the-urakami-cathedral-nagasaki-atomic-bomb-museum/uwXRRfqvSwUA8A?hl=en Truman's I Am Cyrus: https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-99/i-am-cyrus.html Eisenhower's 1st Prayer Breakfast: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/remarks-the-dedicatory-prayer-breakfast-the-international-christian-leadership Jesus Galindez: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Gal%C3%ADndez  Niebuhr's King's Chapel and King's Court: https://www.religion-online.org/article/the-kings-chapel-and-the-kings-court/ November 11 Deaths: https://www.ncpedia.org/wwi-last-days-war Armistice Day Deaths: https://www.armytimes.com/veterans/salute-veterans/2017/11/10/nov-11-1918-wasted-lives-on-armistice-day/ Wilfred Owens's Poem: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46560/dulce-et-decorum-est Patton's Poem: https://war-poetry.livejournal.com/879105.html Patton's Quote: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/04/24/war/ Last American Death: https://www.history.com/news/world-war-i-armistice-last-american-death Anti-War Films: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr_Ouytl9Ws&feature=youtu.be 11th Month, 11th Day, 11th Hour: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/348518.Eleventh_Month_Eleventh_Day_Eleventh_Hour Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vfg-7qHSKV9QubPbkW-Z2AgUAL2P9S_Fv5WP15nJr8M/edit?usp=sharing Article: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/eating-the-mascot Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

I had the opportunity to chat with David Gornoski about Girard, Mimesis, and its relationship to understanding propaganda. 0:00 - Episode Introduction7:45 - David's Introduction10:55 - What is Mimesis?12:50 - Polarization & Nuance26:15 - The Crowd is Untruth37:25 - Reverse Mimesis50:40 - Demon Possession and Isolation57:50 - Community vs. Crowd1:05:40 - Truth and Love1:12:40 - Christ Haunted World A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Interview Questions Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OoiHUK6r3Bv6eEFgQ2u1jo8MTFPvmF9b1KXzUnfhzPo/edit?usp=sharing YouTube Version: https://youtu.be/t7a1joFJyVc David's Podcast: https://aneighborschoice.com/about-david-gornoski/ Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17349.The_Demon_Haunted_World?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_19 The Crowd is Untruth: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21536205-the-crowd-is-untruth-annotated-with-meditations-and-scriptures?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=fR7YfAvW47&rank=1 Sickness Unto Death: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24972.The_Sickness_Unto_Death?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=jpM9Ya4X8A&rank=1 The Crowd: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54062407-the-crowd---gustave-le-bon-modern-library-classics?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=uc6I3Ru2Oe&rank=1 Interview with Abby Cleckner on Diffusion of Responsibility: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/s9e35-interview-abby-cleckner-government-and-the-diffusions-of-power Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

I had the opportunity to speak with Dr. Dru Johnson about his work on epistemology. 0:00 - Prologue23:20 - Dr. Johnson's Introduction32:15 - Apprenticeship and Truth42:15 - Propositionalizing the Bible52:25 - Implications for God's Omniscience1:00:00 - Apophaticism1:05:45 - No Such Thing as Brute Facts1:14:05 - Authority and Authentication1:27:50 - Can We Learn From Unjust Teachers?1:36:15 - Participation Produces Knowledge A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Interview Questions Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rqC6KHo7uS7Brxg9Xj15DPZhpw5IlbqckM1Vqp3wZbA/edit?usp=sharing Dr. Johnson's "Biblical Knowing": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17915803-biblical-knowing?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=pbIjKteAO6&rank=4  Desiring the Kingdom: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5944774-desiring-the-kingdom?ref=nav_sb_ss_2_16 Michael Polanyi: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/282032.Personal_Knowledge_?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=Vbi7ykznvX&rank=6 Loving to Know: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11933842-loving-to-know?ref=nav_sb_ss_3_11 Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/ My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot Propaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing  Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 They say that looks can be deceiving.[1]More and more, I find myself believing that,As I’m torn between the facts my eyes deliver and the translation my brain extracts.[2]If what I see is what I get, that’s all I have and nothing more.Still, my mind loves to conjure –illusory perceptions, cunningly woven fabrications of its inventionSo with every look I give I find I live in tensionbetween what I know and what truly is[3]They say the eyes are windows to the soulBut less and less I feel it stressed to look in two big black holesMere physical features of social creatures, there’s nothing more there to beholdOr so I’m told[4]But what then of beauty?Where then does it lie, if not in the eyes of an immortalPast those black, those glassy portalsunto perspicuityinto the essence of a being[5]They say that death remedies all illsIt cures all that it kills ending pain and ending wantEnding rule of lands by tyrant gods who have all power that they flaunt[6]But this death will also daunt the meek and lowly of the earthAlongside the evil sycophant who disgraces his own birth[7]While death may cure the ills that time will build within a fallen creatureWho will cure us of this featureWhich [also] haunts and destroys all mirth[8]As now I look into the face of death I see it has no eyes[9]Indiscriminate destroyer, harbinger of all’s demiseJust a windowless employer of a broken space and timeSoulless creature with no beautyPure darkness, devoid of lifeWhen I look, I don’t see deceitJust pure and simple explanationEvil’s embodiment repleteFor once in my life I don’t feel a shred of tensionThere’s not an ounce of beauty here to seeNo panacea to remedyI see no illusionNo soulNothing to make one whole[10]All I see, all there isAll there ever was, will beis a dark and damning, overbearing, torturous lucidity[11][1] I do a play on three different phrases. 1) they say looks can be deceiving, but our eyes only deliver information. That is not deceiving. What is deceiving is our interpretation based on assumptions, limited information, etc. So what I “know” isn’t what always truly is. 2) Eyes being the windows to the soul is meant to say that we can read emotions and intentions in others eyes, regardless of what they say. However, I take this phrase literally. If I look into another’s eyes and don’t see or believe in a soul behind them, I just view them as another pile of matter. And while beauty being in the eyes of the beholder is meant to give the beholder the power of importing meaning and value, here I flip it to mean not that the power to import beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but beauty actually lies behind the one beholding (or using their eyes to see). 3) The saying is really that “time remedies all ills.” However, the accrual of enough time is simply synonymous with death and destruction, as that is what eventually happens, and what is meant in the saying. In this section I flip the intended phrase by saying that death will cure the ills time will build, which opposes the common saying.[2] It’s not really the looks of things that are deceiving. Everything that enters our eyes and senses is true. It’s when it gets to our brain and our thoughts that things get twisted. If my mind is so good at twisting reality, even as the facts are right in front of me, how can I trust any assessment I make of “facts?”[3] So often the things I have “known” to be true ended up not being true. There’s a tension between what I feel I know, and the knowledge that what I’ve “known” in the past has frequently been overturned because of my twisting of reality.[4] Physicalism has many moving away from notions of the soul, and other such spiritual concepts. When I look into another’s eyes I’m just looking at a conglomeration of carbon and other elements. What my brain extracts and takes as knowledge is largely a social construct.[5] But if the eyes I look into are windowless, what of my eyes? If there’s no beauty in the eyes of those I behold due to there being no soul, then I’m not really a beholder myself, as I have no soul. What then of beauty? And what then of the value of others, and of my own value? What then of essence? Do I become a machine moving along purely by the laws of physics? If eyes aren’t windows to souls, there is no beauty because there’s nobody who can discern it. It’s a chemical construct.[6] Death is the great equalizer. For those who are suffering, death is a sweet respite from pain. For those who are evil and seemingly invincible, death will bring them low and overthrow them. It eventually cures all from pain a...

We explore some key forms of propaganda that play a prominent role in the current Israel/Palestine conflict. *I was not on my usual setup while on the road, so there are a number of technical glitches. Sorry for the lower quality here but I hope you are still able to enjoy.  A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751  Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  The Historic Faith Courses: https://thehistoricfaith.com/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

I explore Augustine's case against lying.  A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music! Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751  Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tour YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriber Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/  The Historic Faith Courses: https://thehistoricfaith.com/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864 Against Lying: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1313.htm On Lying: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1312.htm Previous episode on lying: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/consequentialism-the-moral-conundrum-of-lying-to-save-lives Quotes:1: Of lies are many sorts, which indeed all, universally, we ought tohate. For there is no lie that is not contrary to truth. For, as lightand darkness, piety and impiety, justice and iniquity, sin andright-doing, health and weakness, life and death, so are truth and alie contrary the one to the other. Whence by how much we love theformer, by so much ought we to hate the latter. Yet in truth there besome lies which to believe does no harm: although even by such sort oflie to wish to deceive, is hurtful to him that tells it, not to himthat believes it.2: Some man will say, So then any thief whatever is to be accountedequal with that thief who steals with will of mercy? Who would saythis? But of these two it does not follow that any is good, becauseone is worse. He is worse who steals through coveting, than he whosteals through pity: but if all theft be sin, from all theft we mustabstain. For who can say that people may sin, even though one sin bedamnable, another venial? But now we are asking, if a man shall dothis or that, who will not sin or will sin? Not, who will sin moreheavily or lightly.3. Apostle Peter had that in his heart which he had on his lips whenhe denied Christ? Surely in that denial he held the truth within anduttered the lie without. Why then did he wash away with tears thedenial which he uttered with his mouth, if that sufficed for salvationthat with the heart he believed? Why, speaking the truth in his heart,did he punish with so bitter weeping the lie which he brought forthwith his mouth, unless because he saw it to be a great and deadlyevil, that while with his heart he believed unto righteousness, withhis mouth he made not confession unto salvation?4. Why then do we not rout out heretics, in order to their beingcaught, by the flesh committing lasciviousness in adultery, and yetthink right to rout them out by a mouth committing fornication inblasphemy? For either it will be lawful to defend both the one and theother with equal reason, that these things be therefore said to be notunjust, because they were done with intention of finding out theunjust: or if sound doctrine wills not even for the sake of findingout heretics that we should have to do with unchaste women, albeitonly in body, not in mind, assuredly not even for the sake of findingout heretics wills it that by us, albeit only in voice not in mind,either unclean heresy were preached, or the chaste Catholic Churchblasphemed.5. But he who says that some lies are just, must be judged to say noother than that some sins are just, and therefore some things are justwhich are unjust: than which what can be more absurd? For whence is athing a sin, but for that it is contrary to justice? Be it said thenthat some sins are great, some small, because it is true; and let usnot listen to the Stoics who maintain all to be equal: but to say thatsome sins are unjust, some just, what else is it than to say thatthere be some unjust, some just iniquities?6. commit not thou a great crime thine own, while thou dreadest agreater crime of other men, for be the difference as great as thouwilt between thine own and that of others, this will be thine own,7. e36For if a lewd woman crave of you the gratification of her lust,and, when you consent not, she perturbed with the fierceness of herlove should die, will chastity also be a murderer? Or, truly, becausewe read, We are a sweet savor of Christ in every place, both in themwhich are saved and in them which perish; to the one, indeed, a savorof life unto life, to others a savor of death unto death; shall wepronounce even the savor of Christ to be a murderer? But, for that we,being men, are in questions and contradictions of this sort for themost part overcome or wearied out by our feeling as men, for that veryreason has the Apostle also presently subjoined, And who is sufficientfor these things?8. m37 (context of telling a lie to a man on death bed about his son whodied): Nay more: for these persons who are so enamored of this life,that they hesitate not to prefer it to truth, that a man may not die,say rather, that a man who must some time die may die somewhat later,would have us not only to lie, but even to swear fasely; to wit, that,lest the vain health of man should somewhat more quickly pass away, weshould take the name of the Lord our God in vain! And there are amongthem learned men who even fix rules, and set bounds when it is a duty,when not a duty, to commit perjury! Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Is it wrong to tell a little white lie in order to save an oppressed minority you're harboring in order to avoid genocide? Such a claim seems unreasonable and unlovingly rigid. In this episode we look at the ramifications of accepting lying as a moral option.  A huge thanks to Joseph McDade for his generous permission to use his music: https://josephmcdade.com/ Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/ Discord Discussion Board: https://disboard.org/server/474580298630430751  The 80% (My Book): https://www.amazon.com/80-Conservative-Evangelicals-Prove-Relativists-ebook/dp/B07RDPW2NZ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=j.g.+elliot&qid=1573560697&sr=8-1 Various reflections related to consequentialism: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/category/pragmatism-and-consequentialism Great real-life example of integrity in doing right while refusing to lie: https://wagingnonviolence.org/podcast/city-of-refuge-part-1/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864  Thanks to our monthly supporters Philip Does Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★